How this woman took my money and never appeared !!!!

jscottv I feel bad that the forum turned into what it has become. I have seen many who once posted now stay away...can't blame them. I feel also somewhat responsible for posting the words of (Pretty35) as I think her thoughts were attacked without real reason. This forum is to help in our search not discourage it. I do not believe that most of the ladies are here to scamm everyone. Just be responsible follow good commen since and follow your heart.

There is nothing in American or British cultures that prohibits men from giving small romantic gifts to their sweethearts. Though, white Americans are more restrained than Latino in this sense.
When a girl expects you to make a move during the first two months, it means you have to show that you like her. Flowers will be great.

I don't see any difference between a tourist and a fiancée visa in terms of reliability. It's easier to get a fiancee visa, it takes more time, and it's a single-entry visa. But a fiancee has no obligation to marry her fiance or even meet him.

As to the woman from the topic author's message.
She could be real.
She bought the cheapest, non-refundable ticket.
She had never flown abroad, was nervous, and forgot her passport. It happens all the time.
His response was very agitated and aggressive.
All flights for the next two weeks were booked. Her idea of living in a hotel was pretty normal.
He became extremely angry.
She decided that he wasn't the right person for her.

There are a couple of HUGE differences between a tourist visa and a fiance' visa.

With a fiance' visa, the American MUST stand good for the person they bring into the country. Have no doubts that if she came here and refused to be with her sponsor, he could report her and she would be deported. You have misinformation if you believe she could come and not meet her Sponsor or Husband to be. I would like to add that if she is deported, she would also be black listed, and it would be VERY difficult for her to ever return. The fiance' visa is valid for 90 days, then she MUST marry to remain. If she does not marry, she must leave, but with no penalties of return.

With the tourist visa, the lady MUST personally qualify for travel, have money AND very important.. have reasons to return to her home country. Such as a house, highly responsible position or children that did not travel with her. This lady is on her own, stands for herself and can do as she wishes EXCEPT WORK ,for up to one year (unless she applies for a two year visa) then she MUST return to her home nation before the visa expires.

I hope you can see the difference for the man... he is looking for a wife, so he will ask for a fiance' visa... A man would be a FOOL to sponsor a wife on a tourist visa.. When he does this, she can do what she wishes.. marry, not marry, refuse to come.. what ever she wishes and the man has nothing to say. She could use his money, arrive and marry his neighbor.. he would be helpless to stop it.

Fiance' visa for wife.. fiance visa for sincere woman
tourist visa for play.. tourist visa for woman with doubts or hidden agenda

ALSO.. I DID NOT SEE anywhere on the ladies site that anyone asked for this kind of money.. I think there has been some misinterpretation of the facts

Quite honestly, I have chatted with Pretty35 many times. She was always very friendly and pleasant to me. I was honest and forthright to her and she was the same with me. I consider her a friend that I met at this site despite what has been written about her here. Patience and understanding can go a long way!

I know she took what I said wrong but I really don’t believe she has said anything untrue she offered her opinion on travel nothing more. So this I don’t understand, why she was attacked? I understand as jscottv has stated there seems to be some communications failure perhaps it’s just a lack of understanding? I have read her post and find them to be very informative and honest, so unless someone can produce some kind of proof that contradicts this impression then stop the slander. Remember there are two sides to every story.

You're wrong. A fiancee visa is a very serious immigration visa intended for marriage. She or he can enter the country, marry, and stay in the country forever. She may never get a tourist visa again if she applies for an immigration visa.

However, if she finds out that her fiance, for example, is a junkie, she can break up with him the very first day and start looking for another guy for the next 90 days. But she'll have to leave the country and wait for another fiancee visa if she decides to marry this new guy. She can do whatever she wants during these 90 days; and it doesn't violate the requirements of her visa. She can only be deported if she overstays.

I heard it's not very difficult to get a tourist visa lately, especially, from the Ukraine. I think the Ukrainian President has an American wife from Chicago.

barabaika...

Slow down on your reading, translate more than once, and be sure you understand what is written.. That is EXACTLY what I said.. she must marry within 90 days.. or she must leave.. If you marry, she no longer needs a visa, she will apply for a green card and become a "lawful temporary resident alien", then when she is married long enough, she can apply to be a "lawful permanent resident alien", then later, IF SHE WISHES, she could apply for citizenship, but this is NOT a requirement to remain here.

If the woman does not marry her "fiance' visa sponsor", she must leave before 90 days.. BUT if she finds another man, she could return later and try again. If she comes here and leaves her sponsor and has no part of him.. he can report her and she WILL be deported. He is responsible for her welfare, if he withdraws sponsorship, they WILL make her leave. Immigration is NOT friendly to foreign nationals who come here under false motivations.

If she was "unfortunate" enough to be sponsored by a junkie and he withdraws sponsorship, she must leave. Of course.. if he is passed out in a hole and no one informs immigration, they will not know the difference and she can stay.. but MUST leave before 90 days..

If she marries someone else while she is here and before she leaves, then she is in violation of her sponsorship and fiance visa, would be required to leave and could have major problems returning.

Essentially we agree in all matters, but do not be naive about reporting to immigration, if the Visa sponsor reports you and withdraws sponsorship.. immigration WILL make her/him leave.

HERE IS THE QUOTE FROM U.S.C.I.S.
If the marriage does not take place within 90 days or your fiancé(e) marries someone other than you (the U.S. citizen filing USCIS Form I-129F - Petition for Alien Fiancé), your fiancé(e) will be required to leave the United States. Until the marriage takes place, your fiancé(e) is considered a nonimmigrant. A nonimmigrant is a foreign national seeking to temporarily enter the United States for a specific purpose. A fiancé(e) may not obtain an extension of the 90-day original nonimmigrant admission.

AND I will let the ladies in on a hint the ladies also need to know.. if they MARRY and leave the USA within ONE YEAR to return home, without permission from immigration, they may not let her back into this country.. She MUST first request permission from Immigration to leave the country within one year...



My first wife was Swiss, we were married for 15 years... my children are dual citizens with two passports... I have been through this process. The Immigration process is the SAME for everyone who wishes to live here. It does not matter from what country they apply. They must all follow the same rules to be legal.

I have been through it with my former wife AND I have been through it with her family. I know exactly what I am speaking about. I have direct hands-on experience.

I realize you are trying to help.. and I appreciate your efforts, but this man had a very bad experience from a girl who should be ashamed of what she did... no more excuses for this lady who took money and never arrived.

He can't withdraw his sponsorship if she's already arrived. And this affidavit of support I-134 isn't serious.
He must file a more serious affidavit I-864 if he actually marries her. Once he files it and her status is approved, he's responsible for her support before the government, and certainly can't withdraw his affidavit.

The law supports both sides. She doesn't have to stay with him if he's cheating on her or doing something bad. And she has some time to leave or find another person.

Also, he can file the next fiancee petition only after two years. It's difficult for him to import brides, too.

you two are splitting hairs barabaika is correct once she has entered the states even if you attempt to withdrawl your support she still has until the 90 days are up. There are conditions which can change this if her entry was in violation or she commits a crime she can be deported if she goes out and finds someone else in that 90 days their are restrictions put on her next K-1 visa request. Now i have to ask barabaika you write of rules and laws but your writting is clearly not American in it's style are you a US resident or on a visa? Just wondering

Sorry, it's difficult for me to understand your style.

yes.. I think that is it.. and Mike is right, "splitting hairs means we mostly agree on everything but disagree over a very small point.

What I CAN relate to you is my experience with INS.. what was told to me during the interviews. What my direct contact with the Federal agents during processing was explained to me.

So let me relate what was explained...

When a woman is sponsored for a Fiance' Visa and arrives to the USA. If the situation is unpleasant and the woman decides she must not be a part of it, closes contact and leaves. Then the Man "her sponsor" could call immigration and say to them.

"This woman lied to me", "she tricked me into sponsoring her".. "she never wanted to marry me", "she only wanted to "USE" me to obtain my money and assistence to enter our country"... she, and here is the legal term "Deceived" me to use my money and to obtain a Visa.

To use "Deception" to acquire money or access to enter the country is a CRIME!!!!!

At that point, Immigration would consider her a criminal, the Foreign National has used deception (committed a crime) to enter the country, and YES.. under "Criminal Law" she would be removed. She would be picked up by I.C.E., placed into detention, processed and sent home.

The likely hood that she would ever again receive a Visa is pretty much NONE.

No.. you WILL NOT find this written at the Immigration web site... but this is exactly as it was explained to me, during my interviews, by the Federal Agents, at the Federal Immigration Offices, during my sponsorships. You can believe this or deny this as you choose.. BUT

This is why I say to you be very careful what you recommend to the ladies, you DO NOT want them to believe that they can come for any man.. just for the opportunity to come here. This is a VERY bad plan for them. They should be as decided as they possibly can be that they will love the man they are coming for and marry him. If it does not work out. She should carefully consider her actions afterward. My advice would be return home.

AND everyone knows how crazy an abandoned lover can be.. man or woman, so do not overlook the possibility of this happening.

That is all I have to say on this issue... really, you either will understand or not.

I DO hope you understand barabaika I am not trying to be mean or fight with you.. I think you are doing your best to be helpful, thank you... I am just doing my best to keep people out of unintentional problems.

Thats what I thought but did not get that answer his point of veiw is from the Russian side. Thank you for that information.

Your perception of this process has flaws.

This sponsorship is an indicator that a sponsoring man has enough money and not a bum. It's not an obligation to support her directly, it's an obligation to pay to the government money it spends on her if she's in trouble (medical expenses usually). The money you spend on tickets, food, and hotels is your personal matter.

If a sponsored fiancee leaves, and her fiance calls the immigration, they will laugh at him. It's not a crime "not to marry" a man whom she doesn't like anymore.

The fiancee visa is the worst possible visa to enter the country without the wish to marry. Nobody in her right mind would use it. It can't be changed to any other visa, she can't marry another person, and it's a single entry visa.

So, you want to invite a girl on a fiancee visa just to be with you for a while and see your place, but punish her if she refuses to marry you.

No... I ONLY want to sponsor a girl who is serious about coming here for marriage ..to ME. If I only wanted a girl to play with, there are many in the USA to choose from, why bother with the women here??....

By your thinking we should sponsor a woman, pay her ticket, send her enough money to prove her validity to travel. Sign as her Sponsor, take the risk, do the work, THEN act like nothing is wrong and everything is normal when she arrives and leaves with someone else.... We are NOT fools....

The ONLY Visa a man seeking marriage should EVER sponsor is a fiance' Visa... If the woman is honest and seeking a relationship with the man, she would be happy to do this...

The ONLY woman who would refuse.. is the woman who IS NOT serious about her man or a woman who is an opportunist seeking rewards. If you sponsor this kind of woman.. be ready to lose..

A man who sponsors with a fiance' visa is not a "player". A woman who would insist on a tourist visa, will make us suspicious and will eliminate trust.