Queston from a newbie

Hi all. Hoping someone could help me understand what exactly I would get if I subscribed here.

As a free member I sent the allowed amount (I guess 20) set emails and reached my limit. When I look at the silver subscription, it says
Exchange unlimited private messages using your own text with up to 20 ladies during 1 month. You can include contact information in your private messages.

My question is, are the 20 I used as a free member counted against these first 20 I may use as a subscribed member? And let´s say I send 20 ladies an email and none of them, or just 1, replies; does this mean I have reached my limit allowed? or do they mean I may exchange emails with 20 ladies ie I may send emails to different ladies until 20 reply? I am assuming it is the first, but just asking to make sure.

I have to be honest, I am concerned because with my first 20 set emails I sent out it only seems like 2 would want to talk with me, but that´s no guarantee as maybe they were just being polite. It would be kind of silly if I spent even 30€ and got 0 replies and could not contact anyone else.

Thanks for the help.

I don't want to discourage you, but it really costs thousands of euros or dollars just to find a real lady for a real relationship. You must register on several websites because each website has different ladies.
Then you must add the price of several trips, the first ones will be unsuccessful.

If you want a 100% response rate, join a pay-per-message website. Model-looking girls will suck out all your money.

You're right. You buy a monthly subscription and can send messages to only 20 ladies whether they reply or not.
So, you must be selective in your messaging.

Thanks. I am familiar with free sites, like the few we have here, I guess it is different because we all live in the same city/country and it´s not hard to meet 5 women every month. Once in a while a relationship can come out of it. I just decided recently to try a site with people from different countries.

They can suck all they want, but there is not much money to be taken but thanks, I am also familiar with those scams.

Any tips on how to know if I should send someone a message? For example, I read somewhere in the forum maybe add a girl to your hotlist, or send her a chat invite, and if she adds you to her hotlist or accepts your chat invite then that is one credit worth spending? Or if someone sends you a message than that is someone worth emailing.

I´m just not sure which road to take because I sent a free message to one girl and she replied back "can chat later, i´m at work now".
Then another girl who I did not email sent me a message and a chat request.
But neither added me to their hotlist. So......

I will probably give it a one month shot, just to see what happens.

Oh, also, when I send a chat request, does that count as one contact as a silver member?

Thanks again.

Well, a lady's heart is a mystery. Nobody knows how to woo it.

It'll be very difficult for you to lure any woman from this website when you're out of work. It's certainly easier to travel when you have a lot of time, but traveling requires money.
I don't think women are different anywhere in the world. Their dream men must be rich, young, handsome, elegant, etc.

I would recommend you to look in China, women are still very poor there and are eager to relocate to a richer country.

I think the administration has changed the rules. When you chat with a new lady, it's counted as a new contact.

Yeah, I know it will be difficult, but I am old fashioned and some would say naive and believe there are some women who live in reality where people do lose their jobs sometimes. I think most who think differently are young and have little to no experience in the real world. If a woman cannot understand a guys current situation regarding his job/no job, then that would be the last woman I would want to have contact with because she would be the one who is with you for your money, ie you meet her when you have a great job, but when the economy gets bad and you have bad luck and lose your job she will leave you sitting there alone.

Keep in mind, regarding China or other such countries, I am not interested in being a way for a woman to leave her poor country just so she can live in a richer country. I do my best to meet women who want to meet me because they want to meet me, not because my city offers them more than their own city does.

I do not consider myself old or desperate, if I meet someone I like and who I feel honestly likes me, great. If not, I won´t go to all extremes to meet a girl from another country. Once I start thinking girls in poorer countries are easier, than the purpose of why I am here dies.

Hopefully you do not take this personal; I appreciate the help you tried to give me. But after thinking about your answers, I really wanted to respond properly.
„I don't want to discourage you, but it really costs thousands of euros or dollars just to find a real lady for a real relationship. You must register on several websites because each website has different ladies.
Then you must add the price of several trips, the first ones will be unsuccessful.“
Anyone who spends thousands on dating websites is doing many wrong things. Firstly, one should not spend hundreds on dating websites. There are millions of free ones which bring as much success as ones that cost money. I have mainly been on free ones, on occassion I will join one that cost money. From ones that cost me money, I met 2 girls, both were living in my country. One turned out to be a very good friend still today. Coincidentally she is originally from Ukraine. The other one was Austrian but after dating her for 2 months we slowly realized we had too many differences.
On free ones, I have met about 17 girls. 14 were fromm y country, one was from Germany, one from Poland and one from Ukraine. Of these 3 foreign girls, all three of them took the train or bus to my city In paid half their fare.
I understand you are living in the USA, but I think it is important to say traveling will cost some money, depending on where you live. If I meet a girl from, France I can get her a round trip plane ticket for a couple hundred dollars, or one for myself. I would never in my right mind spend $2000 or $4000 just to meet some girl I chatted with for 2 weeks, like I guess many guys do.
Which also brings me to this; if someone is spending thousands on traveling cost to meet girls, that person must be flying out to meet a girl he has chatted with for 2 days. Everybody wants to rush, if you talkt o someone for a while on skype, be patient, wait until you are sure and do not jump to conclusions after 1 week, costs will not be very high.

„I don't think women are different anywhere in the world. Their dream men must be rich, young, handsome, elegant, etc.“

I think you are generalizing women. I was married for 15 years and it had nothing to do with being rich, young, handsome or elegant. The divorce was also not because of any of these, but rather because as we got older I wanted a family and she did not because she felt it would interfere with her career. I was laso in a relationship one time after my divorce, and at the time I was certainly not young anymore, elegant, handsome or rich. In fact, when I met her, I was unemployed preparing to get self employed.
The women in profiles who take pictures of themselves leaning against a porsche, or fine dining, or something that gives the perception that looks and expensive scenary is important, are the women who are looking for what you say women want. I believe there is a large majority of woman who do not need money to make a relationship work.
„I would recommend you to look in China, women are still very poor there and are eager to relocate to a richer country.“
This is just some terrible advice. Never recommend someone to search for a girl in countries such as Thailand, Phillipines, China, etc…..because these are the countries where many oft he women are like the ones you talk about; wanting money. Not all oft hem, but many. I am not sure if you ever joined a free or pay per site from any of these countries, but I have, just to try it out, and the video chat with women is extremely scary. My experience with many of these women is terrible, and I would recommend anyone and everyone to stay away from those sites.


Anyhow, I still appreciate your help in answering the questions about registration and membership

You can use free local websites to meet local women. I have nothing against it.
But there is a big competition. A nice lady will receive hundreds messages from decent men on a free website. You'll spend half an hour writing a personalized message that she won't even read. What a waste of time!

Also, ladies on these free websites are not looking for international marriages. Why would she get into trouble relocating, leaving friends behind, learning a new language if she is very nice and can easily find a boyfriend locally? The main reason is usually money.

I didn't say that you have to spend thousands on websites. It's more about spending money on a real girl whom you found on a website. You have to persuade her that you're the man of her life trying to show your best features in messages, skype, sending her flowers, thinking about her every minute, and eventually visiting her.
It's so difficult because many girls want to meet just for fun or they don't want to meet at all. Wasted time is as expensive as wasted money.

I see couples an American guy/a much younger Chinese woman very often.

You can try facebook or vk to meet women for free. But it's like finding a needle in a haystack, the ratio of rejection will be enormous. Do you want this kind of humiliation?

But there is a big competition. A nice lady will receive hundreds messages from decent men on a free website. You'll spend half an hour writing a personalized message that she won't even read. What a waste of time!

I usually check out local website once a day, spend about 10 minutes per day looking at the new members, and usually keep my emails short just to see if I get a reply. I have come to find out even if you just say something very short like "hi, how are you doing? wanna chat on skype?" the girl will respond on these websites if they like what they read/see in your profile. If you write long emails to each one, yes, a big waste of time.

Also, ladies on these free websites are not looking for international marriages. Why would she get into trouble relocating, leaving friends behind, learning a new language if she is very nice and can easily find a boyfriend locally? The main reason is usually money.

Got to disagree with you on this one Some are, especially inside the EU. Sometimes Romanians or Polish girls who have friends living in Austria join the local site because they are moving to Austria soon and trying to make some contacts before arriving. I know quite a few people from certain countries around here, due to my last job, and many have friends who enjoy moving to close by countries. Even here, I know people who moved to the Uk, France, Italy just because they wanted to. It´s the same as moving from New York to New Jersey in a way.

I didn't say that you have to spend thousands on websites. It's more about spending money on a real girl whom you found on a website. You have to persuade her that you're the man of her life trying to show your best features in messages, skype, sending her flowers, thinking about her every minute, and eventually visiting her.
It's so difficult because many girls want to meet just for fun or they don't want to meet at all. Wasted time is as expensive as wasted money.

I agree if your only goal is to meet a woman to marry. I have to say though I made a few decent friends with women I met on the local site.

I see couples an American guy/a much younger Chinese woman very often.

haha same here, same I suppose in every country. If you go out on Friday night you see the 45-50 year old guy with the 22 asian girl. All the power to them I suppose lol

You can try facebook or vk to meet women for free. But it's like finding a needle in a haystack, the ratio of rejection will be enormous. Do you want this kind of humiliation?

I never did this, although I actually know a guy who found a girlfriend via facebook. But I think this is, like you said, a needle in a haystack and is a waste of time.

Go for it katman. I didn't regret signing on, and I am not particularly handsome, elegant or rich. I signed on 14 months ago, met several worthwhile ladies during my one month of membership, and now focus on only one as the others fell by the wayside over time. I found a quality woman, beautiful inside and out.

There is no real secret to success here. I found that the ladies put a huge premium on honesty and sincerity. They want to know who you really are. To get an idea of what they are about, read their forums at loversplanet.ru using a translator (promt.com translates websites). Prepare to have your eyes opened! The ladies forum's are a must read for any guy that is serious, and entertaining as well. The ladies do not pull punches in their forums.

Thanks Didn´t know about those forums.

It'll be interesting to know what women write about meeting unemployed men.
When I finish all my projects, I'll be in that position for couple months.

I can tell you one thing. You can actually save money by traveling there if you visit local doctors and dentists, the best ones. American doctors are extremely expensive and inattentive. I don't know about Europe.

I´m sure most woemn will not write an unemployed man, but there are some who will. At least I can say that about Austrian girls. Like I said before, the ones who do not, are the ones guys like me want to stay away from.

Good luck looking for a new job, when the time comes. Besides the class I started taking, I keep myself busy with my websites and play in a poker league, and now I have some time to do things I didn´t have time for before (I worked about 10 hours per day). So my feeling is, even though one is unemployed and yes, it sucks, but you have to enjoy the free time you now have.

We have universal health insurance here, I guess that´s what it´s called. So if you are unemployed a doctor/dentist etc visit costs nothing. If you work, you are billed per quarter for any doctor visits ie if you do not go to the doctor that quarter, you are not docked any pay. If you go to the doctor at least one time in that quarter (1 time is = to one million times so it does not matter if you go 1 time or 17 times) you are docked about 5€ for that quarter. medicine is also cheaper. I paid about $100 for my medicine in the usa in 1990, that same medicine here I pay $3 for, and I get twice as much Taxes are high here though.
Austria isn´t a poor country, though not a very wealthy one. The biggest difference in jobs is for bad jobs, like in the restaurant business, you get paid more here than you do in the USA. But for good jobs like a doctor, you get paid a lot less.

But it is the same here as there regarding friendly doctors. If you find one you like, you keep them. All in all I have found no difference between the quality of US doctors and Austrian doctors, although US doctors are more "customer" friendly.