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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:02 am 
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jscottv wrote:
I have now pretty much settled on a lady from a smaller Ukrainian town. We have been speaking "off-site" now for many months. I find her to be honest, sincere, intelligent and "down to earth". Let's see what happens.

At last!!!! somebody has broken your ice of suspisious ;) Nice to hear!!!! Hope we shall congratulate you soon!
The most important now - your daughters like her too...if they are not very jealous....ehhh usually girls are jealous adult or small doesn't matter. Think it is difficult to share one man for 3 parts :D

>>>> "Only ONE was interested in my income"....hmmmm...I never ask also...feel myself uncomfortable to ask about. Althought certainly this is one of the main questions - but difficult to ask. Usually I wait the man will tell himself.
:lol: :lol: :lol: The men are boasters (almost no exceptions) - certainly will tell sooner or later.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:40 am 
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pdoss wrote:
About "so many beds" - I do not look at it that way,

;) Ok boys if you are so brave shall tell you "a terrible night tale" for good sleeping ( :twisted: Hitchcock indeed)

The statistic of one ukraine town tells that from January till June 2009 the amount of people who were found to be ill human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) was increesed on 450 persons....these are legally found persons - how many were not cought????? and these are only the 6 months of 2009 year :) Really interesting to know about the situation at Peru ;) ... :D :D :D wish you all good luck at many different beds :mrgreen: at least I hope you are skill in using condoms if you are so brave.

You see boys allways the question about the trust....hmmm...to deliver somebody your health.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:37 am 
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:lol: olga you make me laugh, I like reading your posts........ :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:22 pm 
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pdoss wrote:
And I am not sure what you mean about not being "ideal" if you spend every day with the woman.

Every woman wants to marry an "Ideal Man", that's a fact.

And every man wants an "Ideal Woman".
If I see a woman wearing a beautiful gown and high heels, with charming makeup and nice hair style, I feel a flame kindles in my heart. When I see her in "real" environment, preparing all this makeup, wearing old jeans, etc, this flame fades away quickly.

So, it's better to show you in your best condition, not looking natural. For example, my Ukrainian female friend told me that she thought the man, who is her husband now, was very poor and unattractive when he showed up in a t-shirt and shorts.

I can show you two photos of Megan Fox, the sexiest girl, the most beautiful girl in the world, yadda yadda yadda.
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Who is this witch?
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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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jscottv wrote:
She herself makes a good income (Doctor) and I suppose is afraid to loose her lifestyle . A nice, intelligent woman, but it seemed to me that she would not be focused on me and family as much as her career.
If i was interested in a career woman, there are several million here in America to choose from... get in line! :D

If you're looking for a family lady, you're in a wrong place. They may not show their wishes now, but Russian ladies value their careers.

Most of them have higher education, but some professions are not convertible. For example, that doctor has spent 10 years studying medicine, and now she earns good money. If she moves to another country, she has to study 3-5 years and pay a lot of money to get certified and to be able to practice.

That's why many men favor Chinese woman. They stay home, cook, raise children. And they stay in line.
They are so boring for my taste.


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thumper wrote:
Group meetings are fine if you want to have some fun and meet loads of ladies but if your serious and ready do it privately and spend simple quality time.

It's not only about group meetings.
If I meet with a lady from the Internet, and it doesn't work, I want to go to a place where I can meet girls in a "normal" way.
I think that beach cities are the best, because girls flock there looking for romance.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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I certainly do not mind a lady that works and has a a job or career, BUT, I want to be sure that I am with a lady that puts her family first, just as I would.. and have on many an occasion.

But in the end, family is more important to me than jobs or looks. Naturally I hope she is attractive, but that is not my first criteria.

You seem to be very impressed by image. I suppose when I was 25 yrs, I was impressed by image. But since that time, I have learned that it is NOT how someone looks that makes them beautiful, it's how they think, feel and act. AND, I feel quite lucky that I am not the only person that thinks this way.

I have met some beautiful women in my life, who were some of the ugliest people I have ever known.


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It's not about your look, it's about the envelope that surrounds you: a suit, shaving, hair, shoes, fragrance...
A Russian lady, and others too, will evaluate you according to your envelope, and only then will check your inner soul.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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Absolutely!!.. That is what I am planning to do!!.. Spend thousands of dollars and fly half way around the world so that I can look like I just finished shoveling manure on the farm!! :roll:

Maybe I won't take a bath first or use mouth wash either!! :lol:

Seriously, I think that is one of the positives for writing first and exchanging many letters or using Skype etc., you get to know more of what the person is like on the inside BEFORE passing judgement on the outside . You have an opportunity to exchange ideas, concepts and desires.

For me... if I find a match like that, with a sincere lady. As long as she is of average looks and healthy, I would be satisfied. Of course, when I look at the photos here on this site, I think I find something attractive about most all of these ladies. They are all very different, but nearly all uniquely attractive. :D


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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Anton66 wrote:
communication short and if you are serious visit your lady asap,you will not be dissappointed believe me.!


.. I fully agree with the line of thinking I'm reading on this thread. Although I recently had a year long relationship with a girl 18 years younger, and it was great, the whole time I was really feeling guilty that she may be wasting valuable time if it lasted much longer. ...In the end it didn't work out. Shocking. Btw, this was a state side relationship.

Anyway...my reply is a formal request if someone can expand on the "keep communication short" before visiting? Why?


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dorzech wrote:
Anyway...my reply is a formal request if someone can expand on the "keep communication short" before visiting? Why?


The reason you want to keep the conversation short in my opinion is for a couple of reasons. First you can only get to know each other so much online and your never going to know if you really have a connection until you go meet them. Second the longer you wait the more she might think you are not ever going to come.

I went to see my girl after two months of chatting online. Even after I bought my tickets she did not believe I was going to come. She said she was relieved when I actually showed up. I assume there are many men who come online to these forums and never have any ambition to go see these woman. They just want to live out some kind of online fantasy while talking to these beautiful woman.

After awhile the woman will give up on you thinking your not serious and find someone else who they think is serious. I can understand that these trips take alot of money and planning specially from us men who are from the United States. I would rather make the trip meet the girl and get it over with instead of investing half a year chatting, just to show up and find out you are not a good fit for one another. The first time I went to see my girl was a very short visit. I had 4 days off from work and it took 1 day to travel there, I spent 2 and half days with her and 1 day to return. The trip wasnt meant to spend lots of quality time it was to see if we actually had a connection. You can always go back in the future for longer extended trips.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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and I have the exact opposite belief....

I don't have either the time or the money to fly every 3 months to meet a woman that sounds nice in an email or a few phone calls.

I communicated with my first wife for nearly a year before we met.. and although it is true we are now divorced, we were married for 15 years and had two children together. A 15 year marriage is not a lifetime... true, but it does show that we were compatible and had honest intentions.

The only way that I seriously knew she was for me, was by having the time to get to really know and understand her "before" I met her. In fact, to be honest... I think I loved her before we ever met in person. For me, meeting in person was like the cherry on top of the cake. When we met, I felt like i was meeting my "other half" that had been waiting for me,

I personally don't think you can know anything about a person in two months speaking. In two months, unless you are speaking day and night, you only have the "formals" out of the way via email or letter.

But for some here, they seem to believe that they should hurry over.. and when they meet, if there is not some sort of instant magnetic attraction, then the relationship is not worth pursuing.

Bottom line, I think is our criteria is different... I first look for a "soul connection", then I look for the physical.. and bear in mind. I have seen photos!

For others, It seems they look for a physical connection, before they are much willing to invest the time to see if there is a soul connection.

Different people, different ideas about what is important...

I have been speaking now with a lady from Ukraine for some time. She has taken the time AND the effort to get to know me, what is important to me, my likes and dislikes, my life, my family, my desires. We share personal stories, what we think, how we feel... our fears, our hopes and our dreams. I am not saying this is sure to work... anything is possible, I may have wasted my time... but when I fly (and I will). I know I am going to meet someone who is NOT confused about who I am, why I am coming, what she hopes... and what are our plans together.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:21 am 
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Most people profess their love or emotion through communication mediums apart from face-to-face meeting. This is deadly because you don't really know for sure if the person is sincere or if the two of you are truly compatible. I have a friend who was in this scenario only to tell me that she didn't feel 'comfortable' having to hold his hand or kiss him when they finally met because it was certainly awkward to do so with someone you just met. I have always been telling people, friendship could start online, but the courtship and the relationship must always start after meeting. This way, there are no expectations whatsoever when you first meet and unnecessary stress could be avoided.

Constant communication and meeting. Yes, there are many mediums of communication, but nothing beats the importance of touch in a relationship. It's different when you can hold his/her hands, kiss, and just be together. So, frequency of meeting and a plan to be together is very much important, else, the relationship would die a natural death.

Gentelmen in a long distance relationship this is what I truely believe, I hope my thoughts or opinion hasn't offended anyone.

chill........


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Doesn't offend me at all... Like I said, my first marriage lasted 15 years... and I agree you never know until you meet. But it IS nice knowing that you are meeting someone who matches you on the levels other than physical, which you can only judge from meeting. in person.

The scenario you prefer, means you will fly often to meet who knows what kind of person and make judgments on sexual / physical attraction. This sounds FAR MORE dangerous and iffy to me than the way that has worked for me in the past.


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 Post subject: Re: An observation...
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When you fly to meet this "verified" woman, you'll be desperate. "I've spent a year dating her via e-mails, I don't have another choice."

But she can always turn you down. For her, it's the same date as with a man living a block away.


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