An observation...

I was definitely "goofing" with barabaika and hoping to get a response out of him... here is my real opinion...

I don't agree that you should fly quickly, but should get to know the lady better first to be sure you are BOTH interested. I think the fly issue is a simple matter of time and cost.

For instance, I could get to Kiev from Geneve CH in a few hours for about $250.00 USD nonstop. At that price, I could visit every month easily and stay for a few days. No big deal.

From Atlanta to Kiev is $1200.00 USD and requires a 14 hour flight. This kind of trip takes time and planning.

So for a European, you may want to travel quickly and take your chances.. why not? But for an American, we need to better understand who we are going to see and be sure they know what to expect. Shame on me if the girl is expecting a Brad Pitt look alike to get off the plane. I would deserve to be ignored when I arrived.

AND... it looks like I may have a business trip to Geneve in a couple of months.. so that is when I hope to travel over for a few days.

You need a cardboard sign "I Wanna Marry".

Some dating agencies organize so called "socials" or parties - many girls, not so many men at a restaurant.
It can work as a backup.

I have no idea how to find more info about them. And it won't work if you want to meet "only one girl".
Who cares? A century ago, noble men and women went to theaters or ball rooms with small binoculars looking for a good pair.

it is a question i asked lol, i asked her if she didnt like me what would she do lol.. she also said, the camera doesnt lie.. but on the point that 1 person made that if she isnt there.... i had to wait 5 hours because of heavy snow and the transport was stopped when i landed. She couldnt get to me i had to wait. So when the police walk up to you, and by there body language you can tell there asking what your doing in the airport lounge, and you cant reply because all you can say in russian is....... hello, goodbye,lips,teeth,eyes, and i love you. it gets a little scary when you cant tell him why your sitting on the floor looking like a beggar with summer clothes on in -15 temp. You start to do hand signals and hope he understands what waving your arms around means lol. Russian people are the most friendly and helpful ive ever met and will help all they can, the police made sure i was warm because i think they guessed i was waiting for someone..

jscottv made one point that I had touched on in the past. If I lived in Europe then short travel is inexpensive and can be done in a long weekend. When I lived in Germany I traveled all over Europe. I however now live back in the far western United States to fly to Russia can take up too twenty hours or more and cost upwards to two thousand dollars. I must coordinate time away from the office and away from my children. I understand that this must happen. I however must make sure that this is not a spur of the minute thing that our meeting has meaning and the only way to do this is to have honest and open communication. Have updated photos make conversation often and only travel when you both feel it is worth while. Seems almost clinical I know but one must walk in with there eyes wide open.
Now if I get there and the chemistry is not there well I guess I would use that opportunity to visit the country and get to know the people.

Mr. B:
Surely somewhere along the email path, you chatted with her about the type of gifts she likes.
That will increase the odds of her showing up.

For $2,000 I would just go to swim in the Black Sea. The water is warm, hotels arу $25-50.
Girls are plenty, and they eager to meet you and me because they feel relaxed at the sea.

I need to buy a Ukrainian dictionary as soon as possible.

Ok, I've found photos from a Social in the Ukraine.
Do these model-type girls have any serious intentions?

Yes, but wouldn't you prefer to know her intentions and interests before you spend(or waste) an evening
talking and dancing with her? The best ones won't find you, you've got to go find them. If you still want
to go to the social, also invite a few ladies you've previously emailed to attend the social.

Even pretty girls can wish to have a husband and children!

I hope you don't think that beautiful women can't be all scammers or not really looking for love? There are so many beautiful women on here that if this is true then everyone should just leave...

Actually, it works this way. You pay some money in the USA. The dating agency organizes your tour through different cities, invites the ladies that you selected and others, and gives you an interpreter.

Somebody told here that he would give everything for a good girl. This should work for him.

I would show my photo and the girl's photo to somebody else to evaluate our compatibility.
This couple looks normal to me. Jeez, even their clothes colors match.


This one doesn't.

The idea seems to be ok as I see nothing wrong with a service that brings people together. If it works than who would question the format? I don’t know about showing others photos for their opinions, after all compatibility is between the two of you. If you are to allow other peoples opinions to inter then you set yourself up for failure. But I do see where you are coming from with this.

ok guys...I have been a silent observer here for a while and now must tell my story...it can be taken as a cautionary tale or a tale to inspire. In 2000 I traveled to St.Petersburg Russia 2 times to spend 2 weeks each time with a 25 year old Russian citizen, who spoke very good English - which is very important. I will begin by saying that I spent less than $2000 dollars total for each trip and still had dinners out every day, sight seeing and a decent place to stay (small furnished apartment) The second time I went to see her it was decided that we would spend the time together as a married couple to see if we were compatible and it was an amazing and remarkable 2 weeks. She was 25, 5 foot 10, 130 lbs, dark red hair and the structure of a Greek goddess and evidently the best genes possible....I say that because when she stood or walked one could easily see behind her by looking thru the space between her thighs, I was in awe of her the same way a jockey might be in awe of a true thoroughbred race horse. Do not take that the wrong way, it is simply a very very serious compliment. This visit (because I am merely a man and as a result of making love to her several times a day) I fell totally and completely in love with her. She convinced me that she was wanting a foreign man for all the correct reasons. I got her a fiancee visa, she arrived January 17, 2001 and we married 4 days later. We were married for almost 5 years when her mother, in Smolensk, developed cancer and she returned to Russia to care for her. For whatever reasons after 3 months she informed me that she would not be returning to America. I sent her papers to sign concerning the divorce and was officially divorced in June 2006. I was devastated and my heart broken for about a year and then I decided that it could possibly happen again, with a better outcome. In the time since I have traveled to Brazil, Peru, Ukraine and Russia twice to try and make that special connection again but this time armed with experience and knowledge learned. Each time I was tempted to do as before but each woman had one or a couple of things that made me think twice. Just know that although not common it is still possible that a truly beautiful woman can have honest intentions and want the same as any "normal" woman. If any one has any questions or comments please let me know. There are many phrases or words or attitudes that can out a scammer or dishonest woman but one must know what to look for and how to read between the lines. In every trip I have taken since my divorce I have lived with the woman in question, no hotels or enormous expense. It takes work, mutual trust/understanding, direct/frank communication and two people who truly have the same goals. How can any woman make up her mind/trust a man enough to fly to his world and be at his mercy if she is afraid or unwilling to spend very close and personal time with him when he travels half way around the world to see if they are compatible and capable of loving each other??? One more thing....I was never in fear that the woman would not meet me at the airport or see me and then leave because of the relationship we had developed (in most cases six months or more of good communication) and the fact that I sent her many recent pictures of myself.

Ok I wasnt going to share this but I figure I should its only fair.

I met a woman from this website on Oct 13th 2008. She was orginally from Belarus but had been living in Italy for the past 5 months going through school to study the Italian Language. We started communicating on a daily basis. We would sometimes spend 2 to 8 hours online chatting through Yahoo messenger on Video cams. This woman was 21 years old and I was 28 years old at the time. She would sometimes stay awake tell 5am in her morning just to talk to me.

I decided to visit her for the first time on December 12th of 2008. When we met it was absolute magic. This woman was pretty on cam and in pictures but in person there was something about her I could not describe. She was 100 times better looking. The way she walked her accent, her smile everything enhanced her beauty. I spent about a week there my first visit. It was the best time of my life. I spent my time in the city of Milan with her.

After my time was up and it was time for me to return home she was very emotional. She was crying and did not want to see me go. I got on the plane and I was already thinking about the next time I could come to visit her. When I returned home we remained in contact almost on a daily basis, via telphone or on the internet. We would e-mail one another when we could not catch each other online. The woman's sister lives 3 hours drive from my location and has lived in the United States for approximatley 9 years. She decided she wanted to meet me to see if they approved of me. I met the sister and her husband and they both instantly adored me. I would often talk on the phone with the sister and we considered each other close friends.

My next trip to visit my woman was a month later January 12th 2009. I spent a littleover a week with her again. Everyday we grew closer and closer to one another. The trip was wonderful this time we spent it in Bologna Italy. Our feelings for each other were primed and we really cared for each other alot. I have never beenone to fall for a woman but I had fallen for this woman hard. Ihave never in mylife thought about getting married until I met this woman.

When I left she was once again emotional. I left and once again was planning my next trip I would return to see her again in March 2009. This time her sister was already in Italy so it was the three of us. We spent time in Bologna and Venice. Venice is a lovely city they had festivities. At this time I decided that I wanted to marry this woman and spend the rest of my life with her. I had never been so happy in my entire life. Everything about her was a perfect fit for me. I knew from prior knowledge that in order to get a K1 visa you need to wait approximatley 6 months after the paperwork had been filed to get approved (if you get approved) So not wanting to wait another year before I could be with this woman I asked if she would come to the USA on a K1 visa to marry me, she agreed. I told her the K1 would giveher 90 days for us to spend time togethor and for her to decide if she wanted to marry or not.

I left and started filling out all the Visa paperwork with the help of her sister. Her sister and I had become very close friends.I returned to visit my woman in Italy again on May 2009. I spent approximately 2 weeks with her this time. We continued to be happy and the relationship was running smoothly.

November 11th 2009 Her K1 visa was approved. Now for some information on the Visa it is not a easy task. You have to prove it is a legitimate relationship. So I had kept every receipt to hotel and every plane ticket I had since the first time I had met her you need to document everything to help your case. On November 12th 2009 my woman arrived in California she sent me a text message from her sisters phone saying she was tired and that she would see me in a couple of days. She said she would call
me when she woke up.

Two days pass and I hear nothing. I call the sister and she is not there she is out in San Fransisco with the sisters husband. I call several times during the week and am unable to get ahold of her. The sister drove 3 hours to see me in secret and to have dinner to tell me that my woman was acting strange and that they were not getting along what so ever with each other. She said that she did not know who her sister was anymore and that their relationship was on ice. I had no way of communicating with my girl because her cell phone from Italy did not work in the USA and the phone she was using was still with her sister. Day 10 of her being here she finaly calls me. I ask her if everything is ok and she said it is fine. She says she just needs to see me. My girl is going to fly to see her mother who is in New York and spend a couple of weeks with her she would call me when she got back. She told me I would get to see her before she flew to New York. Well she went to New York and never called me.

I did not get a call from her on Thanksgiving and I did not receive a call from her on Christmas. She had been here for approixmately 50 days. She only had 40 days left until she had to go home and I had not seen this woman who I feel in love with. I had only recieved one phone call from her while she had been in the USA. Finaly I could not take this anymore. I did not know if she was still in New York or back in California It had almost been 4 weeks since she left for New York and she was only supposed to be there for 2 weeks. I called her sister and told her enough is enough let me talk to her. The sister told me she was still being distant but that she agreed to meet me because she wanted to talk.

However the term of meeting was that I would meet in a park in Sacremento not at the sisters home. I knew in my mind that this was it, somehow this woman had done a full 180 and went from being in love with me to breaking up with me. I had remained calm with this woman for the whole period I knew her. I had been patient with her. I had always treated her well and did all I could for her.

Our meeting took place Jan 02, 2010. I met her in a park and spoke with her. Let me give you some background on me really fast. I am a Police Officer. Approximately 5 months ago I injured my left Achille Tendon (Achille Tendonitus) and it hurts to walk. I have been recovering with this injury. I spend alot of my time at home resting it now and yes I still make $2500 a month while healing. I have always been athletic my entire life. I do everything the doctors say to treat my injury and it has not healed yet.

Now back to the subject. She had brought me here to break up with me. And here is her reason... She said that she is ready to settle down and have a family (to have children). She said she doesnt want to marry a man who did not look for work. She said I had not been looking for work yet and that I was not trying to better my foot. She thought I was the kind of man who would just sit at home all day being lazy. I explained to her that I keep in contact with my Police Department every week letting them know my current status and when I might be good enough to come back to work. I also need a doctors note to return to work. She would not listen to anything I was telling her.

She is currently still in the USA. She will return to her country (Belarus) in February when her 90 days has laps. I asked her why she did not tell me any of this prior and she said she was really thinking about it and this is her conclusion.

I dont know what her reason was for coming to the USA on the K1 visa. The sister is very upset and angry over this situation. The sister had spent approximately 5,000 dollars in travel back and forth to Italy to see this thing through. I had spent 1 year and three months with a woman who I thought was in love with me and at the last second it was pulled out from under me. I spent approximately 15,000 dollars over this year in travel, hotels, food and entertainment.

Well here is my story. It goes to show you can put everything you have into these relationship, your heart, your soul, and your bank account and it can turn to dust in a second.

svit:
Suggest you contact immigration, and at least document the situation. You are only allowed 2 K-1 approvals in your lifetime (without a waiver). You may need the documentation for proof in later years. It may also prevent her from doing same with another guy. Too bad.